Just one day after a man was arrested for firing shots in the 8100 block of 48th Avenue South and hitting a vehicle nearby, several people in the same block say they were shot at around 10pm Saturday night.
No one was injured, but police found three bullet holes in a home in the 8100 block of 48th Avenue South and five shell casings on the sidewalk.
According to police, several people said that they’d been sitting outside the house when a car drove up and down the block a couple of times before stopping near them. The passenger – a man – got out, leaned on the car and began firing at them before fleeing southbound on 48th Avenue.
Apparently, the residence is being remodeled and was unoccupied at the time of the incident. An area check for the vehicle – described as an older, four-door red Saturn or Chevy Cavalier with “fancy hubcaps” – was unsuccessful.
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Brazen is all I can say.
If a car rolls buy a couple of times I’m heading inside.
ditto
Sounds like a good place for the Nickel’s Anti violence initiative to focus on. Perhaps they can get these kids back on the straight and narrow or at least get them to stop the gunfire.
Sounds like a gang initiation. No other reason for this type of random shooting, IMO.
But this is the same house where a shooter came inside the night before, correct? If that’s the case, it’s not random.
Any more information on the occupants of yard of the home that’s unoccupied….???
This particular block is a disaster waiting to happen, day or night. There are usually around 10-15 “youths” hanging around the end of the block near Rose St. at any given time. One of these houses is a gang hangout.
It is a mess but we on the Block are fixing it. We know that all the kids who used to hang out on Henderson and Rose street have made MY BLock of there hang out. A few young men live with their mom on that Block and she has allowed her home to be their PLACE. Her sons friends are on the block all the time and with them comes their enemies.
Thank you to the police who are finally giving us the increased Patrolling we need! Both of my vehicles were hit by gunfire on Friday and we are all mad and worried about our kids and our families. Its one family. Its One mother who has totally failed to control her household that has made my block a disaster.
These teens are shooting in other areas then all come back and hang out on our block. But NO More. I hear most of neighbors feel bad but know that we’d all be safer if she moved out of her rental and took her sons and there friends elsewhere.
When I see mischief, I not only call 911 and report loitering, (eg. someone hanging out at the bus stop for more than an hour) but when the mischief involves a home or apartment, I call the landlord/property management company/owner and complain.
I am sorry that there are so many parents with out of control children, but there are ways to help those kids before they are shooting at each other. Reinforcing the behavior is not one of them…hanging out on a street??? They need to be taught all of the wonderful activities that bring joy in life!
There has been the “looking the other way” and accepting that “this is the way it is” attitude long enough. The children of this community deserve protection, even those that are at risk. It is our job as adults in the community to provide that protection.
@lovely
If you haven’t already, contact the Southeast Seattle Crime Prevention Council to ask if they will check into the rental status of the property from the Seattle Housing Authority. If they receive housing assistance, there’s a chance that it could be cancelled and they’d have to find another residence. Involve your Seattle Police Department community policing officer too – they can advise the landlord of how to get rid of neighborhood blight.
Ok at the risk of being e-stoned (as in pummeled, not high), and giving myself up as a complete neophyte… Has anyone attempted- first contact? As in talking to her?
Even as I write, I realize the hazard in this course of action. So what do you say? “Gee, nice lawn ornament. So if you don’t break up the gangsta action us neighbors are turnin’ your ass out one way or the other” is a scary conversation to begin with someone who clearly…knows people…
I’m just always puzzled by the general passive aggressive nature of communication here in the NW. We smile at each other. Then consult w/ the neighbors to talk about the one amongst us who isn’t quite, “right”…
Can’t put our finger on it, but…we…just…don’t…like…them…
So we do what any good neighbor does and instead of trying to get to know them, to see if the heebeegeebees are justified, we call the City, turn our misfit neighbor in on a violation for installing an outlet w/o a permit or some damned thing. Then wave at the poor bastard the next day as we walk the dog. Avoiding eye contact of course.
I realize this isn’t the same situation with the MIA Mom and her “youths”. Not the same at all. My fictitious example doesn’t involve actual physical threat of, well…death. I guess I’d conclude I wouldn’t attempt a friendly neighborly cookie delivery under these circumstances either.
Perhaps this is an unwelcome and irrelevant detour in a serious conversation about youth violence. Or maybe not. We just don’t talk to each other, at least not to those that don’t seem similar enough to ourselves. So some of us get isolated..and weirder. Or in this case, maybe more dangerous. And with the RV being full of all kinds of folks, we have a lot of neighbors avoiding eye contact with each other.
nevermind. I’m wandering I suppose.
As an aside, a bicyclist just got creamed on Rainier by a car using the bicycle lane to race past another vehicle. Hit n run of course. Cyclist was relatively ok, it seemed. Nothing looked broken, just a lot of nasty looking road rash.
Oh, those crazy “youths”… No SPD. Only FD.
I have tried to talk to individuals in similar situations & all it has done is gotten me into trouble. Sometimes the response has been “mind your own business” and one time it even resulted into a punch in my face…….in the latter case I intervened with two nice looking kids, about 8 years old, were being picked on by older kids who were stealing from their backpacks and calling them names.
Do you remember the group of Rangers based out of Fort Lewis who took their block back from the Gangsters? I ran into a guy who lived in the neighborhood who told me about the story and he said it was the best thing that ever could have happened – the police didn’t do anything to help but the rangers did…….they almost got court martialed but the media picked up on the story and pointed out their lives, those of their families, and the lives of community members were in danger.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=348&dat=19890926&id=88kHAAAAIBAJ&sjid=lDUDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6771,6921641
Intervention does not work and SPD will be the first to tell you that. The only time I’d be willing to intervene now is if someone’s life were at stake and even then I’d be calling 911 first.
Ahow, really, nobody from SPD responded to a hit and run? I heard another story tonight about SPD not showing up to a burglary call as well. Must have been between shifts.
SSSL
SSSL
Never did see SPD. FD appeared to have it handled. I didn’t stay around to gawk however. Maybe SPD arrived after I left, although the scene was wrapping up by the time I did leave.
On the other points, you are correct of course that we can’t all go around acting like neighborhood ninja vigilantes taking things into our own hands.
I wasn’t so much suggesting interrupting a crime in progress as I was wondering in my sleep deprived mental meandering moment if our Seattle passive aggressive m.o. is seriously aggravating things around here… But an elaboration would wander even deeper off topic as clearly this particular situation is not a garden-variety neighborly dispute type situation.
Sorry you got a knuckle sandwich. That sucks.
ahow,
I’d like to point out that Seattle used to be on the top of the list of friendliest cities year after year. The passive aggressive thing is getting old. I am a native and there is nothing passive about my aggression.
If kids are shooting at each other, I think rationale and reason go out the window, as do cookies.
Whitney
At the risk of pointing out the obvious and probably intentional, you have perfectly embodied my point. Yes, we are very friendly. We put a
after anything that sounds vaguely like a not so veiled reference to actual vs. passive aggression. I know, I know, that’s not what you meant, right?
Yes it is getting old. I wish we’d just talk to each other. But as you stated and as I did point out, I don’t necessarily mean in this particular case. Obviously when people have guns there’s not much talking to be done. And I’d eat the cookies myself, rather than chuck them out the window.
But seriously, is the passive aggressive thing just getting old because you are tired of feeling the sting as a tried and true native? Or do you really think it is a figment in the collective imagination of everyone who has lived elsewhere? Not that I’d take blatant yet open and honest racial remarks like I witnessed in the SE. Or clear and communicative gun threats like they do in Texas.
No, on the balance I do prefer our “kinks”. And I’m probably posting this sentiment in the wrong thread. Needed to say these things in that recent post where a RV neighbor discussed putting up a fence to stop her neighbor from using her driveway as a launching pad into his yard, instead of just telling him to stop. Delayed reaction or a little P.A.? hmmm. Well I have been here a couple decades now so prob a little of both.
In this case it just kinda came spilling out since I wondered if someone had expressed their concern about the loitering youths with this lady before the shooting started…nevermind. Probably would have precipitated a shooting anyways. I just can’t help but wonder what will happen when this lady gets the letter in the mail that she’s being evicted, and she has no one to talk to but her “youths”, with their guns. I don’t have an answer, not suggesting myself as the next Pulitzer Prize winner for peace or anything. Nor would I put myself in physical harm to give her a head’s up.
Just wondering what the natural consequences of this will be…Does anyone really think she’ll just shrink away when her landlord informs her that she’s out in 30?
And the lucky person from property mngmnt. charged with delivering that eviction notice better get a police escort.
The enabling woman needs to be run out of town. She’s the cause of all the problems, because she is telling the kids that its perfectly ok for them to act like animals.
I’ve had to serve papers to some of The Mayors gangster friends, not fun.
Our neighborhoods are less stable, in my opinion, than they once were. People move in for a few years, then people move out. There is less time to develop neighborly relationships. Gunshots and loiterers can breed fear, which can make people stay indoors–not the best circumstances for making friends. The drug house near me has been in business for several years now. It’s been physically fatiguing on the neigborhood. I grew up in a Seattle where one could safely walk to school. I walked a mile to kindergarten when I was little. So did other kids. The school bus wouldn’t pick me up, because I lived too close! My only concerns then were packs of dogs running loose, and the odd kid that would ask me for the measely dime in my pocket. Now I don’t know if I would want to walk to school for the nine years like I did back then.
Awhile back the Seattle PI published a map of where all the Seattle gangs are located. If it were published today, I doubt it will have changed much. Progress?
if she doesn’t know that her children are a nuisance to the block and community, then her getting evicted will be saving her from a future of getting hit by light rail.
ahow, tired of seattleites being given a collective personality trait.
Taco +1
Whitney-
OK you’re right. Generalizations are not nice.
So I’ll try to be more specific:
Suggesting that she should fall/be thrown under the light rail in response to her children being a nuisance to the community is so, like…passive aggressive. Scratch that, more like antisocial personality disorder. In a gangsta sorta way. Totally Tony Soprano.
I know, you’re only kidding.
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Whitney,
I’d like to point out that Seattle is one of the most educated, if not the most educated cities in the country. Granted, our current Mayor doesn’t have a college degree, but one would think even he would be smart enough to figure out how to help SE Seattle; the real question is why isn’t he helping out SE Seattle? Is it because his focus is on his future legacy as being the primary partner with the Paul Allen Lake Union projects?
Maybe I’m just a cynic.
SSSL
yeah but South Seattle Scarlet Cynic just doesn’t have the same ring to it.
Back up now, what? He doesn’t? You mean I had to had to have a single man’s pedigree just to harass people for paper (human resources), and our Mayor doesn’t have anything? Like, an AA? ITT Tech? COSMETOLOGY?!
nuttin?
Alright I gotta look that up.
I’m totally voting out any current politician. the current “mayor” is touting as worked on lightrail for 21 years – this is the best he could do? Well, he 1) neglected to bring businesses and jobs to South seattle, 2) ignored the increase of crime issues and 3) is not forthcoming with information. Crime stats or notifying residents who live near sex offenders is not his priority. Heck – the city of Baltimore is using Twitter to inform the people to solve crimes:
http://thecrimereport.org/2009/07/06/twitter-this/
Dear Scarlet
You appear to be correct. Mayor’s site brags on many things. Lowest crime rate in 39 years still there. blahblah. One of his one or two accomplishments per year includes approving the monorail. ha. And oh, his kid just got an advanced degree in econ. Suppose we should feel better about that. Perhaps some reverse osmosis in his family will help our local economy. or something.
“And oh, his kid just got an advanced degree in econ.”
Did he get it from jail or on his own dime/time?
To follow up I can asure you that the mother I mentioned is a good friend of mine! She knows how I feel and has told me she feels powerless- not over her own kids but she has been feeling or acting powerless over her sons extended network of friends. She told me she feels she has done all she can but the trouble makers hang out anyways.
I am not one to contact a landlord etc… This is a woman who told me she is sick of feeling she is being blamed as the mother of gangmembers for her sons friends and what happens when they hang out on our Block.
All I can say is that she really needs to get her sons committed to the idea that they will be out of housing very soon if they dont demand that there freinds hang out elsewhere. And trust me she is scared for herself like everyone else.
How can we help?? Support the positive, address the negative and thank the police for patroling. We all feel happy to see them now doing extra patrols.
It is still 2 shootings in 2 nights if you dropped it to 1 every 2 nights it is still 15 shootings a month comes to 180 a year. I know this will not be the case but it is not a good start. I f they are hanging tough like that in front of that house someone there will be shot or killed there very soon. I hate to say it but it is probably a safe bet.
Sorry
@ Ahow – I’m surprised you doubted me after all these months of constructive dialog. And, Mark B. is right, his son was released within the last year from the Federal Pennitentiary for Racketeering charges…….my guess is he, at the very least, started getting his degree in jail. Still, I have to give him credit and hope he turns his life around. But we digress.
@ Lovely, Mark B is right, it is enevitable the shooters will eventually hit an innocent victim or their intended targets who might not be very innocent. These behaviors cannot be tolerated and the mother, if she loves them, should take action now.
@ Anonymous – I’m still ticked off the Mayor found a way to entice Amazon to move out of SE Seattle……..
On another note, has anybody heard if there is going to be a light rail protest to stop the train opening day? I’d read suggestions in the blogs and people talked about it but that was the last I’d heard.
You’re losing any respect I had for you SSSL, et. al.
Ahow still has my blessing, for whatever that means…
Seattle has for many years had the reputation for being a cold place to move, unless you brought your friends with you. If we really wanted it to be better, we would walk next door and shake hands / hug our neighbors. Jewish neighbors, Japanese neighbors, Black neighbors, White neighbors, Gay neighbors, Hispanic neighbors, etc…
But don’t knock on my door. I hate all the neighbors.
I’m from Seattle.
Lovely, you live where I live.
Please post here if you’d like another body to pitch in to help in some way. I think I can.
SSSL-
Doubt is diff from Disbelief. Was just stunned, that’s all. I can’t believe that I haven’t heard that our Mayor is “academically challenged” before…
Mark’s friend-
yo, namaste. There! Sorta like a hug that doesn’t involve actual touching. Made some use of those coupl’a yoga classes after all.
@ Mark’s Friend – respect, glad I had some in your camp. I’ve always thought Seattle was a friendly place to live. When I moved to LA I couldn’t meet anyone…………….there were clicks from the Junior Highs all the way up to the 50 – 60 year olds…….friendship was determined by the benefits a friend could bring and that is no friendship to me.
Sorta reminded me of the Real Housewives of New York/New Jersey shows. Sad.
Gotta sign off for a few days……………heading back to LA for a short-term assignment.
SSSL
Ratzby what you doin wearin ur invisibility cloak…Would you quit changing your handle?!
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