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	<title>Comments on: To Understand Gang Violence, Adults Need to Listen to Youths (Part III)</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ride the bus very frequently in So Seattle and had the best conversation with a black older teen.  We talked about hip hop music genres and his life in the &#039;hood.  He had a good point that he feels that the only people he can connect with on keeping on the straight and narrow are people of his race and not too much older (no more than late twenties) because there is a generational gap.  His idea on the mayors announcement is that they really need to have people that are not too much older and of a similar background to connect with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ride the bus very frequently in So Seattle and had the best conversation with a black older teen.  We talked about hip hop music genres and his life in the &#8216;hood.  He had a good point that he feels that the only people he can connect with on keeping on the straight and narrow are people of his race and not too much older (no more than late twenties) because there is a generational gap.  His idea on the mayors announcement is that they really need to have people that are not too much older and of a similar background to connect with.</p>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon -- 
I haven&#039;t seen Mother Nature carrying guns around the Valley -- why did you bring her into the discussion?  I&#039;m fairly certain that if Mother Nature had her way there would be no guns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon &#8212;<br />
I haven&#8217;t seen Mother Nature carrying guns around the Valley &#8212; why did you bring her into the discussion?  I&#8217;m fairly certain that if Mother Nature had her way there would be no guns.</p>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon -- a couple of other things I believe in
the power of love
the strength given by commitment and hard work -- persistance
growing your community through helping one another

You are less of a victim because you think everyone has equal capacity and opportunity?  Yea, right.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon &#8212; a couple of other things I believe in<br />
the power of love<br />
the strength given by commitment and hard work &#8212; persistance<br />
growing your community through helping one another</p>
<p>You are less of a victim because you think everyone has equal capacity and opportunity?  Yea, right&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon, who are you anyway?  Didn&#039;t your parents give you a name?  Was it really anonymous they c alled you?  

I am in love with my husband, not playing the victim or any other dramatic role.  It&#039;s not about &quot;playing the victim&quot; silly; it is about having compassion for others and both realizing and accepting the facts.  We may all be born wet and naked and that&#039;s where it stops.  You bring up brains -- well some have more capacity than others -- at birth; another counterpoint to your theory.  Yes, we receive gifts and I am happy for those I receive.  No Mother Nature doesn&#039;t care what color your skin is, but this society does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon, who are you anyway?  Didn&#8217;t your parents give you a name?  Was it really anonymous they c alled you?  </p>
<p>I am in love with my husband, not playing the victim or any other dramatic role.  It&#8217;s not about &#8220;playing the victim&#8221; silly; it is about having compassion for others and both realizing and accepting the facts.  We may all be born wet and naked and that&#8217;s where it stops.  You bring up brains &#8212; well some have more capacity than others &#8212; at birth; another counterpoint to your theory.  Yes, we receive gifts and I am happy for those I receive.  No Mother Nature doesn&#8217;t care what color your skin is, but this society does.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denise -

You believe in the power of playing the victim. The truth is that Mother Nature cares nothing about any of us. Mother Nature doesn&#039;t care how many parents you had or what color your skin is. You are here and she wants to now see if you can survive and thrive, given what you have. You assume it&#039;s better to have two parents. Is this better for the species, for all of humanity, for the next million years? How could you know? You don&#039;t. You get what you have, and you use your brain to make the most of it while you are here. Anyone who has a problem with that is having a love affair with the &quot;victim&quot; role. No one owes anyone anything in this lifetime. You are on your own and you always will be -- in life and in death. If you get anything beyond that, it was a gift, and that&#039;s it. Just a gift. Be happy with your gifts, but don&#039;t grow to expect them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denise -</p>
<p>You believe in the power of playing the victim. The truth is that Mother Nature cares nothing about any of us. Mother Nature doesn&#8217;t care how many parents you had or what color your skin is. You are here and she wants to now see if you can survive and thrive, given what you have. You assume it&#8217;s better to have two parents. Is this better for the species, for all of humanity, for the next million years? How could you know? You don&#8217;t. You get what you have, and you use your brain to make the most of it while you are here. Anyone who has a problem with that is having a love affair with the &#8220;victim&#8221; role. No one owes anyone anything in this lifetime. You are on your own and you always will be &#8212; in life and in death. If you get anything beyond that, it was a gift, and that&#8217;s it. Just a gift. Be happy with your gifts, but don&#8217;t grow to expect them.</p>
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		<title>By: mimi</title>
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		<dc:creator>mimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live here; I don&#039;t have a clue. I know that good parents end up with children in gangs, as hard as that is for me to accept. But once you know your kid is in a gang, aren&#039;t there things that you can do? Officer Mark Solomon just went through this.  And I am certain that all gangsters do NOT have good parents, who is there for them?
I like the idea of making it illegal for gangsters to congregate, but with such a small police force, it&#039;s not very enforceable.   Sadly, what usually galvanizes a force to solve the problem is a big tragedy.  I was hoping the shooting in the back of the two non-gang members would have done it. I guess not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live here; I don&#8217;t have a clue. I know that good parents end up with children in gangs, as hard as that is for me to accept. But once you know your kid is in a gang, aren&#8217;t there things that you can do? Officer Mark Solomon just went through this.  And I am certain that all gangsters do NOT have good parents, who is there for them?<br />
I like the idea of making it illegal for gangsters to congregate, but with such a small police force, it&#8217;s not very enforceable.   Sadly, what usually galvanizes a force to solve the problem is a big tragedy.  I was hoping the shooting in the back of the two non-gang members would have done it. I guess not.</p>
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		<title>By: twoyoots</title>
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		<dc:creator>twoyoots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 20:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a good read, if you have the time:

http://www.justicepolicy.org/images/upload/07-07_REP_GangWars_GC-PS-AC-JJ.pdf

&quot;Youth crime in the United States remains near the lowest levels seen in the past three decades, yet public concern and media coverage of gang activity has skyrocketed since 2000.  Fear has spread from neighborhoods with longstanding gang problems to communities with historically low levels of crime, and some policy makers have declared the arrival of a national gang “crisis.”  Yet many questions remain unanswered. How can communities and policy makers differentiate between perceived threats and actual challenges presented by gangs? Which communities are most affected by gangs, and what is the nature of that impact? How much of the crime that plagues poor urban neighborhoods is attributable to gangs? And what approaches work to promote public safety?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a good read, if you have the time:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.justicepolicy.org/images/upload/07-07_REP_GangWars_GC-PS-AC-JJ.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.justicepolicy.org/images/upload/07-07_REP_GangWars_GC-PS-AC-JJ.pdf</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Youth crime in the United States remains near the lowest levels seen in the past three decades, yet public concern and media coverage of gang activity has skyrocketed since 2000.  Fear has spread from neighborhoods with longstanding gang problems to communities with historically low levels of crime, and some policy makers have declared the arrival of a national gang “crisis.”  Yet many questions remain unanswered. How can communities and policy makers differentiate between perceived threats and actual challenges presented by gangs? Which communities are most affected by gangs, and what is the nature of that impact? How much of the crime that plagues poor urban neighborhoods is attributable to gangs? And what approaches work to promote public safety?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 13:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymouse also said -- &quot;That’s no one’s fault but their own, since we are all born the same way, and we all end the same way.&quot;     

What a completely distorted point of view!  There are some ways possibly, that we are all born the same -- like naked and covered with fluid, but other than those we are mostly born different.  Like some with two parents and some with none....      etc.  Get a  clue!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymouse also said &#8212; &#8220;That’s no one’s fault but their own, since we are all born the same way, and we all end the same way.&#8221;     </p>
<p>What a completely distorted point of view!  There are some ways possibly, that we are all born the same &#8212; like naked and covered with fluid, but other than those we are mostly born different.  Like some with two parents and some with none&#8230;.      etc.  Get a  clue!</p>
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		<title>By: southseattlescarlettletter</title>
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		<dc:creator>southseattlescarlettletter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 05:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Trellis - my hunch is that if you took a look at all of the shooting related events that involved shooters between the ages of 14-23, you&#039;d find the significant majority are related to some type of gang related activity.  

@ Edna:  As far as Asian gangs are concerned, they&#039;ve toned down over the last several years and generally don&#039;t seem to be the type to hang around on street corners or mini marts.  However, they were a lot more active and agressive in the late 80&#039;s/early 90&#039;s - it was a very different scene then.  

If I recall, the Asian Community and elders got involved to work the issues from the inside out.  Three strikes and tougher sentencing guidelines may have also helped.  In any case, there are very few Asian shootings nowadays.

The comments you overheard on the bus makes me sad.  It doesn&#039;t matter if someone is white, black, yellow, red, or opaque - if you live in the valley it is your community and it is your reality.  Further, just because someone isn&#039;t in a gang now it doesn&#039;t mean they don&#039;t understand the issues.  Dismissing someone&#039;s opinion merely because the color of their skin happens to be different illustrates the divide that is being created.  It doesn&#039;t take a rocket scientist to realize the people involved in these activities need hope, education, jobs, and infrastructure (housing).    

One point I cannot contest is your comment regarding our elected officials.  The people at City Hall think they know how to solve the problems but they really don&#039;t.  Council Member Burgess is heavily involved in the youth gang initiative, and I believe he cares, yet he seems more focused on his next political seat than he does working the issues.  By his choice he is going to be short-lived as a Council Member.........it is sad because he had a lot of potential.   He probably would have taken on the Mayor this year if he thought he could win.

SSSL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Trellis &#8211; my hunch is that if you took a look at all of the shooting related events that involved shooters between the ages of 14-23, you&#8217;d find the significant majority are related to some type of gang related activity.  </p>
<p>@ Edna:  As far as Asian gangs are concerned, they&#8217;ve toned down over the last several years and generally don&#8217;t seem to be the type to hang around on street corners or mini marts.  However, they were a lot more active and agressive in the late 80&#8242;s/early 90&#8242;s &#8211; it was a very different scene then.  </p>
<p>If I recall, the Asian Community and elders got involved to work the issues from the inside out.  Three strikes and tougher sentencing guidelines may have also helped.  In any case, there are very few Asian shootings nowadays.</p>
<p>The comments you overheard on the bus makes me sad.  It doesn&#8217;t matter if someone is white, black, yellow, red, or opaque &#8211; if you live in the valley it is your community and it is your reality.  Further, just because someone isn&#8217;t in a gang now it doesn&#8217;t mean they don&#8217;t understand the issues.  Dismissing someone&#8217;s opinion merely because the color of their skin happens to be different illustrates the divide that is being created.  It doesn&#8217;t take a rocket scientist to realize the people involved in these activities need hope, education, jobs, and infrastructure (housing).    </p>
<p>One point I cannot contest is your comment regarding our elected officials.  The people at City Hall think they know how to solve the problems but they really don&#8217;t.  Council Member Burgess is heavily involved in the youth gang initiative, and I believe he cares, yet he seems more focused on his next political seat than he does working the issues.  By his choice he is going to be short-lived as a Council Member&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;it is sad because he had a lot of potential.   He probably would have taken on the Mayor this year if he thought he could win.</p>
<p>SSSL</p>
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		<title>By: twoyoots</title>
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		<dc:creator>twoyoots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t realize Columbine was in Seattle. We are talking about Seattle, correct? But tell me this, isn&#039;t the &quot;Mayor&#039;s&quot; Youth Violence Initiative directed at the pandemic of gang violence? The gang problem was referred to as a pandemic, wasn&#039;t it? Gang violence,  youth violence, I could really care less about the label, honestly. I guess it&#039;s more PC to refer to gang violence as youth violence, her in Seattle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t realize Columbine was in Seattle. We are talking about Seattle, correct? But tell me this, isn&#8217;t the &#8220;Mayor&#8217;s&#8221; Youth Violence Initiative directed at the pandemic of gang violence? The gang problem was referred to as a pandemic, wasn&#8217;t it? Gang violence,  youth violence, I could really care less about the label, honestly. I guess it&#8217;s more PC to refer to gang violence as youth violence, her in Seattle.</p>
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