Open-Thread Thursday: What’s on Your Mind, Neighbors?

December 3, 2009

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{ 23 comments }

1 ahow 12.03.09 at 8:07 am

Thank you, Crisceda Clemmons. And everyone like her who makes a hard, but right choice. damn.

I hope an attorney will volunteer some time to help her family claim what sounds like massive damage to their home. They should suffer no loss from this.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010410055_nicole03m.html

2 Mark B 12.03.09 at 8:33 am

It would be hard to turn in a family member in most cases, but here the choice was obvious. Had she not turned him in and let him come to her house she and her husband and children could all have been killed.

I just hope none of his followers try anything.

3 pds 12.03.09 at 8:47 am

Would love to know if people believe Darryl Smith represents the black community or south Seattle. Word from the mayor-elect says that he is. What do you all think?

4 Miles 12.03.09 at 8:51 am

I agree with ahow. This family deserves our supprt and maybe the reward for turning Clemmons in. How can we help?

I am apalled to read that their house was trashed by police and they have no immediate recourse.

5 ahow 12.03.09 at 8:57 am

“Word from the mayor-elect says that he is.”

What’s the word, that you are referring to?

I’m confused about this. Don’t mean to just bat it down without understanding what you’re getting at…But why do black people in positions of authority have to answer this question?

I mean, do we ask if an Asian person is representing the Asian community OR the community as a whole? White people? And why is this a zero-sum/mutually exclusive option game?

what?!

6 Mark B 12.03.09 at 9:39 am

“I am appalled to read that their house was trashed by police and they have no immediate recourse.”

I had a friend in California whose house was raided by the police, they thrashed her place had her stuff stacked to the ceiling, when it turned out to be bogus the police basically gave her a “sorry too bad” and that was it.

7 tasha 12.03.09 at 11:08 am

@ MarkB

That is horrible!

8 South Seattle Cop 12.03.09 at 12:28 pm

There is a legal process to follow, but geting restitution for damages resulting from trying to get Clemmons out of the house while it was beleived he was there, likely will not be difficult. It will take a little time, however.

Before confronting an armed suspect directly, tear gas is deployed, which is how most of the windows get broken. Many suspects determined to go down fighting suddenly have had a change-of-heart when their eyes start watering and nose starts running. When sending people to force entry into a barricaded suspect’s position, windows also get broken as noise diversions to disrupt a potential ambush, as a person hiding in a house has all the advantages on his/her side. Also, any locked doors would have to be forced, etc…

It sounds bad at first, especially if we imagine it being our own house. But it is not just wanton destruction. Extreme situations like this require tactics that are often surprising to people not familiar with these types of situaitons.

We are all thankful that Crisceda Clemmons stepped forward. Since a legal review will likely quickly determine she made no attempt to hide Maurice or mislead the police, I don’t think getting damages paid for will be a difficult hurdle.

With all the yay-hoo’s walking into precincts and calling 911 claiming to know where Clemmons was, or claiming to be Clemmons, I am actually surprised it only took 15 minutes to get around to interviewing her.

See you on the streets.

9 South Seattle Cop 12.03.09 at 12:29 pm

You may be assuming a but much, Miles. Don’t be too “appalled”.

10 Ellen 12.03.09 at 3:11 pm

I had my house trashed by the cops once when I lived in a small Oregon town comprised mostly of rednecks and kicks and the seriously religious.

I was in the hospital when Barney Fife in real life burst through the door, shouting my house had been broken into and the he turned to leave and said, “we have your plant!” Huh???

I was freaked, I yanked out an IV, put a jacket and sweats on over my hospital rags and staggered through a field to my house. Ransacked. A neighbor told me the cops did it.

I received a summons to court, held in a store-front of folding chairs. Tiny town, remember. My charge was possession of “mauijuana”. Maui wowie, I wish. The judge had the plant and when I looked at it, I lost it. It was a dead philodendron. Charges dismissed.

No one apologized for the condition of my house so I got back at them and paid my water bill with pennies.

11 Ellen 12.03.09 at 3:12 pm

oops, typo alert. Hicks not Kicks….

12 South Seattle Cop 12.03.09 at 3:14 pm

Ellen: I would have sued them after that.

13 Brian 12.03.09 at 6:39 pm

Making a left turn onto Renton Avenue at the intersection of MLK, Webster, and Renton–is there something wrong with this traffic light? Next time I will bring bottled water, emergency food rations, and maybe a birthday cake in case I’m still trapped at the intersection when my birthday occurs, waiting for the light to turn green.

Am I the only one who thinks this light is too long, or is the light perhaps staging some kind of evil plot against me? Comments?

14 Anon 12.03.09 at 7:51 pm

Before we can help the Clemmons family, can we also help the 4 families who lost the loves of their lives?

15 Bien 12.03.09 at 8:28 pm

Brian, I’m always amazed at how many people turn off MLK to Renton Ave. But since I don’t often, it still makes me think about how long I sometimes have to wait to cross MLK at Othello in the morning.
I know the train is coming, someday; but this?
On the other hand, I can get one more smoke in before work. It’s a pack-half-full sort of thing (and an ashtray over-full sort of thing).

Happy Birthday, just in case.

16 Anon 12.03.09 at 8:49 pm

Can we please please get an REI? My gosh with the biking trails, marathons, water stuff activities it would be soso nice! Or at least a Bed Bath Beyond.

17 Bien 12.03.09 at 8:53 pm

Tukwila, dude.
I get all my staples in Tukwila (Office Depot).

18 Brian 12.03.09 at 10:47 pm

Bien, I’m not familiar yet with the delays at Othello, but if you are making a left at MLK, Webster, and Renton, I recommend that you smoke Saratogas as you will need a long life cigarette to get you through the signal. Today after what seemed like 4 minutes of waiting, I saw two dots way yonder in the distance. This would be the lightrail, probably down by Sea-Tac… I thought maybe the signal would change, but no, I had to wait for the LR to pass by. Maybe they could put in a Trader Joes, REI, and Bed Bath & Beyond at that intersection so I can shop while I am waiting. ;)

19 mimi_t_b 12.04.09 at 6:56 am

Ellen, great story. Reminds me of the day in 1971 I got stuck in Rome, Oregon when my VW threw a rod on the hill right outside that tiny hamlet.
We walked into the diner looking for a telephone to call for help, and the lady puts a pistol on her counter and says “we don’t like your kind around here” I pick up the phone to call my sister to round up help, and it’s a party line and it sounds like a dozen other people are on there, listening. My two longhaired male friends and I had to sit in our car terrified for hours while someone sat in pickup truck watching us and smoking not 50 feet away. We were certain he had a rifle in the truck with him but all we could see was his cigarette burning. We nearly lost it when a large white Pickup zoomed up to us filled with howling…. FRIENDS…

20 pds 12.04.09 at 11:31 am

@ahow – The reason it becomes an issue for me is because Darryl and the campaign say that he does. I’d rather someone go in with experience, but what experience does Darryl have in city government? Nothing. The reason he’s been chosen, according to the campaign, is his community investment in the Black community. If that’s their reason, it’d better be true.

Am wondering if people in the Valley feel that Darryl represents their needs. Because otherwise, why is he Deputy mayor?

21 Mark B 12.04.09 at 11:31 am

Que banjo music.

22 M 12.05.09 at 7:42 pm

I was thinking about the judicial system and how citizens play a role in the judicial system (how it was intended for participation in the courtroom and how it really is). This is not in reference to the recent neighborhood incident but it did get me to think. Our founders intended us people to know the Constitution and not just look at “evidence” in a case or just “what is in the books”. It seems our courts through the lawyers, put so much weight on evidence. Well, really we need to look at the rights we have in order to help with a decision if we are in the jury. Now that DNA can be replicated through the “cloning” process, don’t you think perhaps there is a chance someone could be “framed” for a crime because the injust are able to plant DNA “evidence”. I was just thinking that and considering how we as citizens may need not rely so much on evidence but also on what makes sense as well as what our founders sent up in the documents we have so strayed from.
These comments are just to get you thinking. What would you do if someone hacked your computer and sent a hate message through your IP and your email account but it wasn’t you? How would you prove your innocence?

23 Mariana 12.06.09 at 9:40 pm

Darryl was representing the “community” that is ethnically diverse, but he has never favored one ethnic group over another. Let’s be fair and informed with our comments.
MQ

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