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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Ray &amp; Jenna - Keep on calling out what needs to be fixed in South Seattle.  They do not pay any more taxes in other parts of the city yet in some key aspects they have a better quality of life...keep the pressure on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Ray &amp; Jenna &#8211; Keep on calling out what needs to be fixed in South Seattle.  They do not pay any more taxes in other parts of the city yet in some key aspects they have a better quality of life&#8230;keep the pressure on!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@29 

I&#039;ve seen plenty of changes in Seattle during my life and have had plenty of opportunities to relocate.  I&#039;m still here!  One of the best changes I&#039;ve seen was the conversion of Kubota Gardens into one of the city&#039;s most beautiful parks.   Note that the original plan for Kubota Gardens was to devleop it into 400 units of condominiums.   The city is fortunate that the concerned citizens of the surrounding neighborhood fought (busloads of upset residents going to city hall) this original proposal to rezone part of South Seattle.  Will-nilly, unbridled growth can have odd and disasterous consquences.    As mentioned above, a lot of damage can be done in a short four year term, and on the flip side, much good can be done as well.

The population may double in twenty years.   Boeing may pack up and leave in twenty years.    Their corporate office has already relocated to Chicago.  Microsoft could set up shop in India.  Who knows what the future holds?   My hope is that whatever happens, we retain a beautiful city that is a great place for kids to grow up in, which has plenty of space for them in which to play and, of course, nice grocery stores for adults to buy food for their families.  I wouldn&#039;t want to wish on the future generations any less of an experience and any less of a city than what I had as a child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@29 </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen plenty of changes in Seattle during my life and have had plenty of opportunities to relocate.  I&#8217;m still here!  One of the best changes I&#8217;ve seen was the conversion of Kubota Gardens into one of the city&#8217;s most beautiful parks.   Note that the original plan for Kubota Gardens was to devleop it into 400 units of condominiums.   The city is fortunate that the concerned citizens of the surrounding neighborhood fought (busloads of upset residents going to city hall) this original proposal to rezone part of South Seattle.  Will-nilly, unbridled growth can have odd and disasterous consquences.    As mentioned above, a lot of damage can be done in a short four year term, and on the flip side, much good can be done as well.</p>
<p>The population may double in twenty years.   Boeing may pack up and leave in twenty years.    Their corporate office has already relocated to Chicago.  Microsoft could set up shop in India.  Who knows what the future holds?   My hope is that whatever happens, we retain a beautiful city that is a great place for kids to grow up in, which has plenty of space for them in which to play and, of course, nice grocery stores for adults to buy food for their families.  I wouldn&#8217;t want to wish on the future generations any less of an experience and any less of a city than what I had as a child.</p>
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		<title>By: Perry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great news, but still no pharmacy. 

Safeway&#039;s comment form is at:
http://www.safeway.com/IFL/Grocery/Comments#iframetop 

I think a pharmacy is an essential feature of a complete neighborhood grocery store.  If you agree, please send a comment ASAP.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great news, but still no pharmacy. </p>
<p>Safeway&#8217;s comment form is at:<br />
<a href="http://www.safeway.com/IFL/Grocery/Comments#iframetop" rel="nofollow">http://www.safeway.com/IFL/Grocery/Comments#iframetop</a> </p>
<p>I think a pharmacy is an essential feature of a complete neighborhood grocery store.  If you agree, please send a comment ASAP.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@22
Get with the times.  You live in a growing city that will probably double in population in the next 20 years.  Density is here to stay.  Expect massive changes with the arrival of light rail.  Some foolishly call it a rail to nowhere, but people who think know it will eventually be a web connecting the entire region.  Eventually our little Rainier Valley is going to be a commuter hub.

I&#039;m not trying to be a jerk, but you should seriously think about relocating because you are definitely not going to like the changes that are coming....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@22<br />
Get with the times.  You live in a growing city that will probably double in population in the next 20 years.  Density is here to stay.  Expect massive changes with the arrival of light rail.  Some foolishly call it a rail to nowhere, but people who think know it will eventually be a web connecting the entire region.  Eventually our little Rainier Valley is going to be a commuter hub.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to be a jerk, but you should seriously think about relocating because you are definitely not going to like the changes that are coming&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: southseattlescarlettletter</title>
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		<dc:creator>southseattlescarlettletter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 07:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Gidge -  I never said I don&#039;t like light rail - in fact I voted for it and the monorail every time they appeared on the ballot.  I only suggest SE Seattle &amp; Beacon Hill got the shaft on the design &amp; functionality that could have been possible.  a.)  it should have been above or below ground b.)  there should be some well designed park n rides c.) they should have had a better plan for taking riders by shuttle/bus to the stations.  d.) They shouldn&#039;t assume people in SE Seattle want to give up their cars or can&#039;t afford them - yes, I had a city employee tell me they didn&#039;t want park n rides because they didn&#039;t think SE residents could afford them and they were building the subway for density and those who were economically challenged.  

Gidge, are you certain we wouldn&#039;t ever agree?  I&#039;m not so sure.  If we spoke in person we&#039;d find a common middle ground.  It&#039;s here and we have to make the most of it, but we should also try to influence change quickly otherwise the city, sound transit, the county, and the state will continue to take advantage of the community.  

On Kent&#039;s park &amp; ride - it is dreary.....but we could have had an under-ground park n ride with a park on top.  Or, what about a park n ride with shuttle service instead of some of the abandon properties like the pancake house?  A few plantings and some artwork can make a parking lot look much better than a gargage/graffiti littered abandoned building.  

When the rail goes East I hope they have a station at I-90 and Rainier so I can use it.  Until then, not only does it fail to meet my needs on a basic level - even for a ride to the airport but it also messes up the way I drive within the community.  

SSSL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Gidge &#8211;  I never said I don&#8217;t like light rail &#8211; in fact I voted for it and the monorail every time they appeared on the ballot.  I only suggest SE Seattle &amp; Beacon Hill got the shaft on the design &amp; functionality that could have been possible.  a.)  it should have been above or below ground b.)  there should be some well designed park n rides c.) they should have had a better plan for taking riders by shuttle/bus to the stations.  d.) They shouldn&#8217;t assume people in SE Seattle want to give up their cars or can&#8217;t afford them &#8211; yes, I had a city employee tell me they didn&#8217;t want park n rides because they didn&#8217;t think SE residents could afford them and they were building the subway for density and those who were economically challenged.  </p>
<p>Gidge, are you certain we wouldn&#8217;t ever agree?  I&#8217;m not so sure.  If we spoke in person we&#8217;d find a common middle ground.  It&#8217;s here and we have to make the most of it, but we should also try to influence change quickly otherwise the city, sound transit, the county, and the state will continue to take advantage of the community.  </p>
<p>On Kent&#8217;s park &amp; ride &#8211; it is dreary&#8230;..but we could have had an under-ground park n ride with a park on top.  Or, what about a park n ride with shuttle service instead of some of the abandon properties like the pancake house?  A few plantings and some artwork can make a parking lot look much better than a gargage/graffiti littered abandoned building.  </p>
<p>When the rail goes East I hope they have a station at I-90 and Rainier so I can use it.  Until then, not only does it fail to meet my needs on a basic level &#8211; even for a ride to the airport but it also messes up the way I drive within the community.  </p>
<p>SSSL</p>
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		<title>By: Gidge</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 06:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who lives within a 1/2 mile of a station, I&#039;m so thankful that we don&#039;t have park &amp; rides coming in to our neighborhood. I&#039;ve spent some time near the Kent Park &amp; Ride, and it is a depressing wasteland, with nothing but cars filled with people who want to get out of the area.  But I&#039;m fully aware I&#039;m never going to agree wtih SSSL about the light rail.

I work downtown, and commute by bus because (a) I can&#039;t afford to drive and park, (b) I hate getting stuck in traffic, and (c) it&#039;s just as fast as driving and parking, and I can feel good about making the right choice.  But I don&#039;t love the bus, and have long missed the metro trains of DC.  On the way home tonight, I realized that I will get to take the light rail in to work from now on, and was really excited about the change.

I know that there are people who read RVP who are excited about the opening.  Don&#039;t let SSSL get you down--have fun this weekend, and enjoy the ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who lives within a 1/2 mile of a station, I&#8217;m so thankful that we don&#8217;t have park &amp; rides coming in to our neighborhood. I&#8217;ve spent some time near the Kent Park &amp; Ride, and it is a depressing wasteland, with nothing but cars filled with people who want to get out of the area.  But I&#8217;m fully aware I&#8217;m never going to agree wtih SSSL about the light rail.</p>
<p>I work downtown, and commute by bus because (a) I can&#8217;t afford to drive and park, (b) I hate getting stuck in traffic, and (c) it&#8217;s just as fast as driving and parking, and I can feel good about making the right choice.  But I don&#8217;t love the bus, and have long missed the metro trains of DC.  On the way home tonight, I realized that I will get to take the light rail in to work from now on, and was really excited about the change.</p>
<p>I know that there are people who read RVP who are excited about the opening.  Don&#8217;t let SSSL get you down&#8211;have fun this weekend, and enjoy the ride.</p>
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		<title>By: southseattlescarlettletter</title>
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		<dc:creator>southseattlescarlettletter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 05:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You wont catch me on the train to nowhere!!!  Once it heads to the eastside it might be worthwhile to take because you can drive to Mercer Island, park in their AWESOME park and rides, and head over to Redmond, Microsoft, Bellevue Square or some other destination area where they have stores.  It&#039;s hard to make the MLK corridor a destination area w/o Park and Rides &amp; ample ways to navigate the streets with cars.......it&#039;s just too much of a hassle.

Most everyone I talk to nowadays is anti-Nickels and it appears people are more willing to work together.  The community associations are really stepping up to the plate (ONA, Rainier Beach, Lakewood Seward Park, Mt. Baker, etc.) are finally starting to unite against the bad policies that are impacting SE Seattle.  I hope in 10 years it isn&#039;t wall to wall high-density, subsidized housing projects w/o the right infrastructure.  

Have a good night and I&#039;ll see you when I get back from California.

By the way, I figured out it was you by the title.......by the way, Tequila is a much better way to go - beer is bad for the body.

SSSL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wont catch me on the train to nowhere!!!  Once it heads to the eastside it might be worthwhile to take because you can drive to Mercer Island, park in their AWESOME park and rides, and head over to Redmond, Microsoft, Bellevue Square or some other destination area where they have stores.  It&#8217;s hard to make the MLK corridor a destination area w/o Park and Rides &amp; ample ways to navigate the streets with cars&#8230;&#8230;.it&#8217;s just too much of a hassle.</p>
<p>Most everyone I talk to nowadays is anti-Nickels and it appears people are more willing to work together.  The community associations are really stepping up to the plate (ONA, Rainier Beach, Lakewood Seward Park, Mt. Baker, etc.) are finally starting to unite against the bad policies that are impacting SE Seattle.  I hope in 10 years it isn&#8217;t wall to wall high-density, subsidized housing projects w/o the right infrastructure.  </p>
<p>Have a good night and I&#8217;ll see you when I get back from California.</p>
<p>By the way, I figured out it was you by the title&#8230;&#8230;.by the way, Tequila is a much better way to go &#8211; beer is bad for the body.</p>
<p>SSSL</p>
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		<title>By: southseattlescarlettletter</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 05:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Brian, it&#039;s too bad Seattle doesn&#039;t have Term Limits.........I&#039;m hoping Mallahan will take off soon.

@ Drunk Again ....... you really should stick to Green Tea &amp; limit the IPA&#039;s :-)  

Having said that, I think you&#039;re right.  Why would University Village, West Seattle, or any other neighborhood want our community to do well.  If we did, we&#039;d draw people from their communities to ours.  Right now there are multiple $1000&#039;s, probably $10s of thousands of dollars being spent in West Seattle, Rention, North Seattle, and the East Side on commodities like basic groceries........we don&#039;t have the right stores now, but hopefully Safeway will prosper and other vendors will want to follow suit.

SSSL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Brian, it&#8217;s too bad Seattle doesn&#8217;t have Term Limits&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;I&#8217;m hoping Mallahan will take off soon.</p>
<p>@ Drunk Again &#8230;&#8230;. you really should stick to Green Tea &amp; limit the IPA&#8217;s <img src='http://www.rainiervalleypost.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>Having said that, I think you&#8217;re right.  Why would University Village, West Seattle, or any other neighborhood want our community to do well.  If we did, we&#8217;d draw people from their communities to ours.  Right now there are multiple $1000&#8242;s, probably $10s of thousands of dollars being spent in West Seattle, Rention, North Seattle, and the East Side on commodities like basic groceries&#8230;&#8230;..we don&#8217;t have the right stores now, but hopefully Safeway will prosper and other vendors will want to follow suit.</p>
<p>SSSL</p>
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		<title>By: drnkagn</title>
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		<dc:creator>drnkagn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 05:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You don’t want us on the map, but just why is a question that the future will have to ask.&quot;

It really won&#039;t have wait for the future.
You&#039;re part of the Valley&#039;s past, and so connected to it that you can&#039;t possibly see the future.  But the future is coming at you like a train.
I don&#039;t blame you for fighting it, but that&#039;s a futile fight.

I&#039;m not part of that rolling future, but I can see it.  And I&#039;d love to hang out with you and watch it happen.  You&#039;re a part of history that shouldn&#039;t be wasted.  We can&#039;t replace it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You don’t want us on the map, but just why is a question that the future will have to ask.&#8221;</p>
<p>It really won&#8217;t have wait for the future.<br />
You&#8217;re part of the Valley&#8217;s past, and so connected to it that you can&#8217;t possibly see the future.  But the future is coming at you like a train.<br />
I don&#8217;t blame you for fighting it, but that&#8217;s a futile fight.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not part of that rolling future, but I can see it.  And I&#8217;d love to hang out with you and watch it happen.  You&#8217;re a part of history that shouldn&#8217;t be wasted.  We can&#8217;t replace it.</p>
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